{"id":2180,"date":"2010-12-17T15:17:37","date_gmt":"2010-12-17T23:17:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dev.darsky.com\/dalton\/?p=2180"},"modified":"2017-04-20T10:30:28","modified_gmt":"2017-04-20T17:30:28","slug":"benevolent-princes-cannibals-and-zombies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dev.darsky.com\/dalton\/benevolent-princes-cannibals-and-zombies\/","title":{"rendered":"Benevolent Princes, Cannibals and Zombies"},"content":{"rendered":"<h4>Interview with Gifford Combs | The Hedge Fund Journal | 12.17.2010<\/h4>\n<p>\u201cDo not accustom yourself to consider debt only as an inconvenience,\u201d said Samuel Johnson. \u201cYou will find it a calamity.\u201d How \u2013 and, crucially, when \u2013 to deal with the \u2018inconvenience\u2019 of vast sums of government and consumer debt is the big question currently facing the world\u2019s developed economies. Some, such as the UK, have decided to act sooner rather than later, while many others, most notably the US, have chosen to delay debt reduction \u2013 and even extend quantitative easing \u2013 in fear of causing a double-dip recession. However, irrespective of the particular paths chosen by individual countries, one thing is certain: at some point, every country that is carrying a huge amount of debt will have to take measures to substantially reduce it \u2013 meaning reduced spending, falling asset prices, higher unemployment and sluggish growth for many years to come.<\/p>\n<p>In such a weak economic environment, demand for the skills of talented asset managers with strong long-term track records will be high. Gifford Combs is a managing director and portfolio manager at Los Angeles-based Dalton Investments. Over the 12 years from its launch on 30 September 1998 to 31 October this year, Combs\u2019 global equity composite in USD registered a compound annual growth of 18.1%<sup>1<\/sup>\u00a0\u2013 compared to the MSCI World index\u2019s annualised return of 4.3% over the same period. The composite\u2019s Sharpe Ratio was 0.84 and its maximum drawdown was -23.9% (compared with the index\u2019s 0.07 and -53.7% respectively).<\/p>\n<p>In November last year, Combs began managing a UCITS fund for GAM, called GAM Star Global Selector.<sup>2<\/sup> The fund follows the same investment approach and process as Combs\u2019 global equity strategy and typically consists of 20-40 positions on the long side and up to 20 positions on the short side. The average holding period on the long side is 3-4 years and 6-18 months on the short side. Positions typically start at 3% of the portfolio and build, according to conviction, up to a maximum of 10% on the long side and 5% on the short side. When attractive stocks cannot be found, Combs is comfortable holding cash. From its inception on 19 November last year to 30 November this year, the USD class of GAM Star Global Selector returned 8.1%.<sup>1<\/sup><\/p>\n<p>Combs began his investment career in 1984 working for a former prot\u00e9g\u00e9 of Warren Buffett and he traces his investment philosophy directly to that of the famous Berkshire Hathaway founder. \u201cI start with the notion that your money is always at risk,\u201d he says. \u201cThe most important thing is to protect your assets. This has been forgotten by many people in the \u2018performance derby\u2019 that is the money management business. There are no guarantees in investing and it is fallacious to think that you can always achieve a satisfactory return every single time. A lot of people found that out the hard way in 2008.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Combs summarises his investment approach succinctly: to buy good quality companies at a discount to fair value and sell them when they get close to fair value. \u201cWhen we talk about a \u2018great business\u2019 we like to think of the image that Warren Buffett uses, which is that of a castle filled with gold, sitting on a hill surrounded by a big moat, run by a benevolent prince,\u201d says Combs. \u201cWhat this means is a fantastic business that has substantial defensive characteristics that keep competitors at bay. Then what you need is the benevolent prince running the castle. The benevolent prince consists of a management that is able to allocate capital intelligently on behalf of shareholders and \u2013 very importantly \u2013 is not trying to steal the gold for itself, but is willing to share the gold with the minority shareholders.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>By way of example, Combs highlights the case of Inco Indonesia (now PT Inco), a publicly-listed company that was formerly a subsidiary of the International Nickel Company of Canada. Inco Indonesia owned a nickel mine in the Indonesian archipelago that was the cheapest source of nickel in the world. The problem was that although it was, in Combs\u2019 words, \u201ca wonderful business\u201d, it was not run by a benevolent prince. \u201cI followed the company for close to ten years and visited the management many times, but I just could not bring myself to buy it,\u201d Combs says. \u201cFinally, several years ago, International Nickel of Canada was taken over by Vale of Brazil and it became immediately obvious that the people who ran Vale of Brazil were benevolent princes. They were planning to pay out all of the earnings from the subsidiaries up to the parent company and that meant they had to pay out large dividends to the minority shareholders of the publicly-listed subsidiaries in Indonesia and elsewhere. That made it a great investment opportunity.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Over the years, Combs and his team have built up a primary database of around 275 companies that they follow very closely, augmented by a secondary database of around 600 names that they follow slightly less closely. The prices of these companies are monitored on a regular basis in order to spot any potential undervaluations. Nevertheless, Combs and his cash are not easily parted. \u201cWe only move out of cash when we find an opportunity in which we believe most of the downside risk has been eliminated,\u201d he says. \u201cBy concentrating on reducing risk as much as possible, we are able to construct a portfolio that, although including some concentrated positions, actually has less risk than the market as a whole.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>When constructing the portfolio, Combs observes upward allocation limits of 10% in any one name, 25% in any industry and 45% in any country apart from the US. He also advocates a strict sell discipline that allows no room for sentimentality or misplaced loyalty to any one stock. \u201cValue investors are like wallflowers at a Christmas party \u2013 they start on their own in the corner while everybody is dancing and drinking, but eventually people come over to join them and they end up being the centre of attention. When this happens, the stocks that the value investor holds go up,\u201d says Combs. \u201cHowever, the danger in value investing is that you begin to fall in love with your ideas and find yourself with a portfolio of fairly-valued assets that suddenly fall in price. We are very quick to begin reducing positions that we find are selling at something in the order of 90% to fair value.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Combs rejects the view \u2013 frequently expressed to him \u2013 that it is impossible to buy very high quality companies at a significant discount to fair value because efficient markets hypothesis holds and everybody knows about such companies already. He cites the example of Apple, which he first became interested in around seven years ago when his teenage daughter came home and said she wanted an iPod, which until that moment Combs had never heard of. That same week, he visited Sony, which he was interested in as a possible recovery story. \u201cI met with Sony\u2019s strategic planner and asked him the same two questions I always ask: who is your toughest competitor? And who would you most like to buy?\u201d, Combs says. \u201cHis answer was the same to both questions: Apple. This was extraordinary because at the time Apple had very little following on Wall Street and was basically considered an also-ran to Microsoft. But the man at Sony told me that Apple had an amazing installed base of loyal customers who were willing to buy software from the company on a repeated basis. The company went from a market capitalisation of around US$7 billion then to one of around US$290 billion today.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>While such opportunities do come along every so often, they are not common. And in highly subdued macroeconomic environments such as the one the world currently faces, they are even harder to find than usual. According to Combs, the big problem for investors today is simply that they are not being paid well enough to take risks. \u201cIt would be one thing if the whole world was priced at 7x earnings and some companies were even cheaper than that. If that were the case, you might be willing to overlook things like high taxes, trade barriers and government meddling &#8211; none of these things are insurmountable provided you are getting paid well,\u201d he says. \u201cHowever, I do not think investors are currently getting paid well. At best, equity markets are currently about fairly valued. But I don\u2019t want fair! Fair is good for the other guy. What I want is cheap \u2013 but that is not easy to find today.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In the absence of many cheap stocks, Combs recommends that investors who are serious about generating attractive returns over the next few years fill their portfolios with two kinds of company, which he calls \u2018cannibals\u2019 and \u2018zombies\u2019 \u2013 the former being a long investment and the latter a short sale. Cannibals are companies that \u201ceat their own\u201d \u2013 i.e. buy back their own stock, Combs explains. \u201cWe look for companies that actively manage their balance sheets and use their capital base in an intelligent way to generate returns for their shareholders,\u201d he says. \u201cIf you live in a world of low growth and no pricing power, the only way to generate returns is to take advantage of the volatility of the equity market pricing of your company \u2013 and by capturing that value for shareholders, you can do very well over time.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>It is still important to be discriminating when choosing cannibals, Combs warns. \u201cYou don\u2019t want management that will buy back stock with one hand only to give it to itself with the other, which was a popular thing to do during the late 1990s tech boom. That\u2019s good for management, but not good for you.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Rather, he says, you should actively seek managers who are intent on providing value for shareholders and are prepared to do it on a proactive basis. He cites the example of DirecTV, the California-based satellite TV company whose dominance of high profile sports events makes it the US\u2019s equivalent of Sky Sports in the UK. \u201cDirecTV is reasonably valued, lightly-regulated, operates in a competitive market but not an overly-competitive one, and \u2013 most importantly \u2013 it has embraced cannibalism with a vengeance by announcing plans to buy back around a third of its shares over the next two years,\u201d Combs says. \u201cDirecTV\u2019s management clearly understands that the company is essentially an unregulated utility business that can bear a lot of debt, but also that it only makes sense to assume that debt if it can help to provide value for shareholders.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In order to benefit from both sides of the book, zombies as well as cannibals are required. In voodoo, zombies are dead people who have been revived and are under the control of a sorcerer; their equivalents in the financial world are companies whose securities are effectively worthless but which are being kept alive and propped up by an outside power, usually a government. \u201cIt\u2019s interesting to note that in a deleveraging world, governments seem to want to create more and more zombies all the time,\u201d Combs says. \u201cExamples include three-bedroom ranch houses in Las Vegas, various financial institutions on life support and perhaps Greek sovereign debt.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The good news about zombies, Combs explains, is that they don\u2019t stay alive forever \u2013 the sorcerer\u2019s power is eventually exhausted and they go back to the land of the dead. Or, in economist-speak, price will out. The bad news is that sorcerers \u2013 i.e. governments \u2013 may want to keep them alive for a long time (or at least until the next election). Fannie Mae, by some measures the world\u2019s largest financial institution, is, Combs argues, a classic example of a zombie. \u201cFannie Mae is only solvent if one uses Martian accounting and some day it will be put out of its misery, although it\u2019s hard to say when,\u201d he says. \u201cThere are plenty of other examples around and governments are seemingly creating new ones every week.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ultimately, Combs\u2019 strategy for dealing with the slow growth environment ahead is to stick to what he and his team do best. \u201cOur focus is on valuing businesses,\u201d he says. \u201cWe want to value businesses better than the guy down the street. And if we can do that, and also stay rational and disciplined and buy things when they\u2019re cheap, we\u2019ll be fine.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Read the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thehedgefundjournal.com\/node\/6491\">full story<\/a> on the Hedge Fund Journal website.<\/p>\n<p><em><sup>1<\/sup>Past performance is not indicative of future performance.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><sup>2<\/sup>This is not an invitation to subscribe for any product and is by way of information only. Products are not available for sale in any jurisdiction in which such sale would be prohibited.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Reference to a security is not a recommendation to buy or sell that security.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Gifford Combs is the Managing Director and Portfolio Manager for Dalton Investments LLC, and was a founding member of Dalton which was established in 1999. Gifford has over 25 years of investment experience managing equity portfolios. Prior to joining Dalton, he managed equity portfolios for US and international institutions at Pacific Financial Research, a Beverly Hills-based money manager with assets in excess of US$5 billion. In 1994, Gifford retired as partner to concentrate on managing a US investment partnership and in 1998 he began managing the global equity strategy. He currently serves as a director of the Sir John Soane\u2019s Museum Foundation and the Council of the Friends of The Bancroft Library at the University of California, Berkeley. Gifford holds a M.Phil. degree in Economics and Politics from Cambridge University and an AB degree from Harvard College.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cDo not accustom yourself to consider debt only as an inconvenience,\u201d said Samuel Johnson. \u201cYou will find it a calamity.&#8221; How \u2013 and, crucially, when \u2013 to deal with the \u2018inconvenience\u2019 of vast sums. . . <br \/><a class=\"read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/dev.darsky.com\/dalton\/benevolent-princes-cannibals-and-zombies\/\">read more &gt;<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":"","_links_to":"","_links_to_target":""},"categories":[16],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2180","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-dalton-in-the-news","wpautop"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v25.2 - 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